*disclaimer* If you don’t give a shit about rogue v rogue then this isn’t for you…hardcore theorycraft inc.
Now this is a match up that has evolved greatly throughout the history of the game. It has gone from one of the most flat and dry duels to one of the most intricate, deep, reaction based duels in the game. I can’t think of another match up for any class, especially any mirror match up, where speed, reaction time, and quick strategy and decision making come into play. A lot people would state that luck plays a huge role (and it can), and argue that openers are paramount to success (which they are when not playing a split opener), but ultimately when you really understand this match up it is still very much skill driven. Talking to Neilyo recently, he still considers it the deepest 1 v 1 match up in the game.
It’s also important to remember that rogue v rogue does have some practical application. The same concepts that you see here occur in arena at any point in 2s, 3s, or 5s when both rogues are attacking one another, trying to get the upper hand. The only difference is that in arena you will be far less aggressive with your cooldown use, unless you are playing 2s and one or more teams is without a healer.
With this guide I’ll throw out this brief video that will just show some examples of rogue v rogue duels and might give some ideas.
Gear
Considering the amount of damage one rogue can deal to another, you want to use as much stamina and resilience as you have available. Although even in full max item level resilience gear you usually can’t survive a complete stun lock from another rogue without trinketing, having the resilience gives you a cushion. It means you won’t be redlined in a cheap shot, and therefore you can delay your trinket until after kidney shot more easily. You can be less predictable with trinket than you normally would be. Since the duel is decided on whoever gets the first complete stun lock on the opposing rogue after they use trinket, and you don’t need much in the way of offensive stats to 100-0 a rogue in a full stun lock with full energy, full PvP / resilience and stamina gear is the way to go.
Spec
For the sake of this Guide, I’m going to assume both rogues are playing a standard mutilate prep spec without killing spree or shadow dance. These abilities completely change the matchup, and generally “break” it. As these are not popular arena specs, and generally aren’t PvP viable, I won’t waste time analyzing them.
Etiquette
This may sound stupid but this is pretty essential if you’re taking the duels seriously as a measure of skill or for practice. There really isn’t any point to having both rogues start in stealth. This just makes it as though the winner is determined by luck (rng), and if this is the case why not just role dice or flip coins instead of dueling?
The most common thing to do is to trade openers (ie. Rogue1 opens on Rogue2, Rogue2 opens on Rogue1, and so on. If it’s for a series or some kind of competition, the fair thing to do is give an equal amount of openers).
The other option is to start with a double sap. This involves both rogues stealthing before accepting the duel, targeting each other in stealth and spamming sap as the duel counts down. This should make you both start the duel sapped assuming you have relatively equivalent latency.
On using prep
Once you vanish, there is no reason not to prep, unless you are blinding. Hesitating on prep can often cost you the duel.
Your Opener
This is the ideal situation for winning a rogue v rogue fight. When you have the opener (meaning you start in stealth using a stealth ability and the other rogue is out of stealth), you have the absolute power to win regardless of the other rogues actions if you’re fast enough. Even if you’re not the fastest rogue, the opener gives you an extremely high win rate.
Now theoretically there are a lot of options for the opener, but I’m going to state that for the best chance of winning and the most secure and steady opener, cheapshot is the way to go. Garrote openers really just make the duel clumsy and leave room for error, sap –> cheapshot without breaking sap to build combo points at the start does nothing but put diminishing returns on one of the times that you can put damage on the rogue.
A lot of rogues will sap the other rogue before cheap-shotting them out of it. There is absolutely no reason to sap the other rogue when you already have the opener. If you are both stealth and you happen to land a sap, then that’s a different story, but for this guide I’m assuming one rogue is giving the other the opener.
After cheap shot, you are going to be running the normal dps Cycle on the rogue.
Cheapshot –> Mutilate –> Kidney shot–>Mutilate until 4+ CP, Coldblood Eviscerate, and so on.
During this cycle, the opposing rogue is going to trinket at some point. When they do, they will perform one of several actions:
Trinket –> Vanish,
Or
Trinket –> Blind
When they trinket, you have two options. You can either vanish in response to their trinket, or blind in response to their trinket. Here’s what can happen.
If you vanish in response to their trinket fast enough:
- If they vanish at this point, you will be able to sap their vanish if you get the vanish off first. If you vanish at the same time and you both end up in stealth, you can instantly FoK and blind and end the duel that way. If you vanish too slowly, you have a chance at being sapped.
- If they blind at this point, two things can happen here. You can vanish it and then instantly blind them. If they blind you out of vanish by delaying their blind, you still have trinket.
If you blind in response to their trinket:
- If they vanish, you can have your blind vanished, or if you delay your blind slightly so you can blind them out of vanish. If they vanish your blind, you should instantly vanish after you blind so that you can sap them.
- If they trinket –> blind, and you are fast enough, you will blind their blind and win the duel.
The main focus of having the opener is to counter their trinket in some way. Once you have them without a trinket and under your control, the duel is essentially yours.
Getting Opened On
In order to recover from an opener against a skilled rogue, you need some flawless cooldown use and probably a little bit of luck.
The first question I guess is when to trinket. If you’re dueling a rogue several times, it’s a good idea to mix this up, which will especially mess up rogues who predict rather than react (link). Ideally, you want to trinket when the other rogue is on the global cool down, so during the cheap shot right when they mutilate or during the kidney shot when they mutilate is the best time. The reason for this is if your timing is right and you catch them on the gcd, they won’t be able to blind you. If they are able to blind you, this basically takes the duel out of your control (how often do you get blinded out of vanish randomly? This is out of your control and decides the duel if you let them blind).
So assuming you get your trinket off here, you have two options:
Trinket –>Vanish,
Or
Trinket –> Blind
- If you vanish, you either want to cheap shot them or sap their vanish if they try to vanish your trinket. This is will put you in the driver’s seat for the rest of the duel. If your vanish immune’s their blind, assuming they tried to blind, you want to instantly blind. The reason you want to blind rather than prepà vanish is because no matter how fast you prepàvanish, if they blindàvanish it will be faster, and they will likely sap your vanish. So if you vanish the blind, then blind, you are once again in the driver’s seat of the duel which is the goal at this stage. A couple of things can happen with this blind. It can be vanished, or it can blind the other rogue out of vanish. If it is vanished, you want to instantly prepàvanish and try to sap or cheap shot the rogue. If it blinds out of vanish, you want to prep so that you’re ready to vanish in response to their trinket.
- If you blind, a few things can happen. If the blind lands clean, and the other rogue is simply in blind, be ready to vanish in response to their trinket. They will likely trinketàblind here so once you vanish you should instantly prepàvanish to end the duel. If the other rogue vanishes your trinketàblind, you want to instantly vanish to sap the rogue.
Double Opener
This duel isn’t much different than before, but here’s something to keep in mind. The first one to trinket really puts the pressure on themselves. If you’re confident in your speed, then it’s probably a good idea to trinket first. Once you’ve done this, the pressure is on you to blind or vanish in response to their trinket and counter it. This duel has a lot more variables but that being said, the same concepts previously discussed still apply.
Delaying the vanish
If you are trinket vanishing and the opposing rogue has a blind, and they are adept at blinding you out of vanish (delaying their blind so it occurs after vanish and takes you out) you can consider delaying your vanish. This means delaying your trinketàvanish by adding about a 0.1 or 0.2 second gap between trinket and vanish. It’s a risky move but it is often the only way to counter being blinded out of vanish.
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Comment by Jae — December 24, 2009 @ 8:01 pm
idk if this is a good idea, just wanting to get some opinions, but if another rogue gets the sap on you first, and you see them in stealth, i have trinketed then blinded them, vanished because most of the time they are going to trinket -> vanish , or try to blind, but since i vanished first i normally get the opener so would this be a good idea to use?
Comment by mongo — December 24, 2009 @ 8:11 pm
Mongo, personally I don’t see why not. I have three things to support this; 1 being that if you can catch the rogue off guard it will throw him off. Clearly in RvR you need to be on the top of your game. A moment’s indecision or a moment delay on an important decision can be your death.
Second reason is that Akrios stated in this thread that “it’s a good idea to mix this up, which will especially mess up rogues who predict rather than react.” Playing unpredictably will hinder your opponents efforts to keep you in control. Ever tried trying to hold up your mate after he’s consumed a bottle of jacks in an 90 minutes? Not knowing where gravity may take him makes it challenging to stay in control.
3rd reason is that I’m 99.9% positive that in a RvR video with Neilyo in it shows Neilyo getting sapped at one point, and his reaction time is scary: the instant he’s sapped he trinket-blinds the rogue who was still mid jump. And if Rogues of that caliber use it; clearly it is situationally acceptable.
That’s just my two cents anyway. Hope my evaluation helped you out in some way
Comment by narkissos — December 24, 2009 @ 8:37 pm
Woah, that’s all I can say. I have always had trouble against other rogues, I intend to read this several times until I can recite it in my sleep. Mind boggling!
Comment by Zeneroth — December 24, 2009 @ 8:38 pm
a good talent for rogue rogue fights is speccing into deadned nerves
Comment by Vacc — December 24, 2009 @ 9:09 pm
ok the duel against excentric where you blind his vanish was absolutely and utterly amazing.
Comment by Straight — December 24, 2009 @ 9:29 pm
You should have included the envenom build in here. Deadly poison and the lower mutilate damage makes a big ass impact here.
Comment by Jizzthethug — December 24, 2009 @ 9:39 pm
You forgot Trinket –> Gouge
Comment by Protege — December 24, 2009 @ 10:39 pm
Not a good idea if the other rogue dodges/parry your gouge, you lose a bit of time that is important in a duel against a rogue, he can blind you and start again with advantage
Comment by Aweik — December 25, 2009 @ 1:24 am
did you really mean to mutilate his vanish?
Comment by Noxan — December 25, 2009 @ 1:33 am
thanks,
i wish there were some REALLY good rogues @ skullcrusher who would actually do this stuff. Then i’d have somene to practice it against, unfortunately it feels like all the rogues on skullcrusher are completly unaware of the fact that this is how real rogues duel..
Comment by Artheas — December 25, 2009 @ 1:41 am
trink/gouge/shadowmeld/reopen can be good atleast duel wise (unless u are unlucky with gouge)
btw Akrios,do u have any strats against dummy specced holy pala? clueless againt them 
and ye,maybe i ask too much,but can u make some strats with RPP setup,saw that u’re high with that setup?..if u have time ofc:)
Comment by qwe — December 25, 2009 @ 2:32 am
Really nice guide! Ty
Comment by Dabi — December 25, 2009 @ 3:02 am
Neylio got gibbed in teh movie. I’d watch it only for this moments
Comment by Sunseeker — December 25, 2009 @ 4:01 am
@ Dabi,what server mate?
Comment by qwe — December 25, 2009 @ 4:08 am
noxan, hows blackrock?
Comment by Uschearak — December 25, 2009 @ 4:48 am
The reason you want to blind rather than prepà vanish is because no matter how fast you prepàvanish, if they blindàvanish it will be faster, and they will likely sap your vanish.
Your language makes me horny.
Watching your movies over the years puts to use all of the post.
Cheers Akrios!
Comment by Tokikonae (Stormreaver/Faeyna, Arena Realm 1) — December 25, 2009 @ 5:08 am
when you get opened on, trinket -> gouge really is the only thing i would do (on all the servers i’ve been its been polite not to use prep in any rogue vs rogue duels, maybe that makes a difference) because that way (if they dont dodge/parry) you still have your blind and can turn the situation around by vanish -> cs (-> mut -> ks), wait for them to trinket -> blind / prep vanish. its just what i usually do if i dont have the opener and it works most of the time.
Comment by Mintyo — December 25, 2009 @ 6:51 am
Tbh…………….stop slacking and go get number 1 rank!! Imo on terms with the likes of Reckful. Awesome guide very well done.
Comment by Warpath2k — December 25, 2009 @ 7:15 am
Hey, what’s this song name, P.s nice video for showing Rogue-vs-Rogue, Keep up the post the comunity if with you!
Comment by Phy — December 25, 2009 @ 7:45 am
Oh, and Merry Christmas
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Comment by Phy — December 25, 2009 @ 7:56 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpxl6s2iRm8&feature=sub
guys watch this video, and do what they say on Saturday.
Make a gnome character on Stormscale Europe and take it to orgrimmar (outside) and log out. Saturday log into the game an hour before this so u wont be affected by the que. cmon guys, lets make history.
Comment by Gnome Army — December 25, 2009 @ 9:56 am
Hey akrios merry christmas to you and to all of the rogue suckers around there
I was wondering whats the damage font your using, cos i cant find it anywhere else
Comment by Izzeh — December 25, 2009 @ 11:31 am
new RvR video incominggggggggg.
Comment by Twizzy — December 25, 2009 @ 12:43 pm
One thing id suggest is to try dueling another rogue with no stealth. This includes no vanish, and blind is definitely a yes or no, depending on whether or not you want to allow restealths. In arena, most of the match is played without stealth, apart from the openers. It gives you a chance to practice without CD’s, something that is definitely lacking in most rogue duels because they are essentialy over in the first 25 seconds.
Comment by Tehowner — December 25, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
“can u make some strats with RPP setup”
attack the weakest target and train them.
Comment by Protege — December 25, 2009 @ 3:07 pm
“It gives you a chance to practice without CD’s”
O.o
But in arena you have CD’s. If you don’t and you’re playing Double DPS, unless you get a restealth you’re a dead rogue.
Comment by Protege — December 25, 2009 @ 3:11 pm
One thing I usually do in rogue v rogue is pop evas right after I CS. Often if they try to trinket ,vanish,sap/CS it misses and they are unstealthed. I sometimes vary this with a disarm right after I open. If they try to vanish reopen they have no weapon which buys some breathing room. What are your thoughts on using rupture in you opening combo to hinder their restealths?
Comment by Dugalla — December 25, 2009 @ 3:24 pm
@uschearak Fucking great dude, got in sup fresh our turn baby. u need to xfer here we so we can duel like the good ol days
btw i got finally got relent shoulders ahah
Comment by Noxan — December 25, 2009 @ 5:19 pm
Aw man why did you have to tell everyone about this. Mirror duels have suddenly become more difficult :<
Comment by who cares — December 25, 2009 @ 7:18 pm
Also, in case it wasn’t mentioned, if you can’t take the damage to survive a kidney shot from the opposing rogue, wait until he mutilates and trinket, catching him in the GCD. Then you can either gouge, or blind. Most of the time when you blind the opposing rogue after trinketing a kidney shot he will insta-trinket the blind & counter blind, so just wait for that swirly ball & mash your vanish key. If he doesn’t trinket the blind he will probably wait for the incoming cs -> ks & trinket the ks. If he’s smart, he’ll trinket your GCD, which is usually good to anticipate by mutilating and swirling 180ish degrees while you do it so that he can’t insta-gouge you while also spamming vanish like your life depends on it. The reason for this is the opposing rogue is going to do 1 of two things, either trinket -> blind or trinket -> gouge you. By spinning around you avoid the gouge, and by vanishing you can cancel the blind, also keep in mind that you can gouge a vanish which is why you spin around.
Comment by who cares — December 25, 2009 @ 7:29 pm
And one last bit of advice, if the opposing rogue trinkets your kidney shot and his blind is down, you can be really flashy and blind + vanish at the same time, counter-vanishing his blind and still trapping him in your own blind, effectively ending the duel. This video offers some extremely good examples: http://www.warcraftmovies.com/fr/movieview.php?id=112605&stream=&h=91add4927abdb2954c086159b27ea8dd
Comment by who cares — December 25, 2009 @ 7:44 pm
If i get sap, I cheapshot>rupture immediatly>dismantle&avasion. I usualy get a trinket+blind from opposing rogue. To which i trinket+vanish>reopen to win.
Comment by Hykal — December 26, 2009 @ 12:10 am
rogue vs rogue is about using ur GCD wisely
Comment by chiedori — December 26, 2009 @ 2:22 am
Hello,AK. I’m you fan from china.I have seen your movie’Eviscerate X ‘ . So awesome
and I can’t found the song which call the 3:10 to Yuma in your movie
can you sent this song to me? I like it but it is difficult to find
my e-mail is zdthhyzhp@163.com thanks very much
Comment by Emilsky — December 27, 2009 @ 2:08 am
RoguevRogue is prolly the duel that ive been doing the most. Ive been in about every one of those situations and tried about everything listed here. To be honest i think that roguevrogue is way to based on what ur opponent is like to follow a guide, however i think that the guide goes through the common/best ways of roguevrogue. Im currently playing the arena-tournament 2.4.3 and having lots of fun there with RvR, considering shs adds some flavor to the duel imo. To rogues that find using prep in any duels a flaw, thats pure bullshit considering that u will most likely need it against any decent rogue and besides, it flavors the duel. But to be totally honest i dont imagine there will be any new “discoveries” in the matchup. Wrath showed us sap vanish, besides that there was little else. Excited to how cata will affect RvR. Maybe we end up having some new cool ability that can affect the duel overall.
Comment by Deliwio — December 27, 2009 @ 11:54 am
god damn it
Comment by fkman — December 27, 2009 @ 7:27 pm
hello Akrios
i am a fans of you from china
i like you very much
Comment by fkman. — December 27, 2009 @ 7:28 pm
Great! How I wish to play this game in your version ..WLK has been fucked by our great Ministry of Culture . That’s why my name exists, btw ,say hello to “the upstairs”.
Comment by Mutilate 41-5-15 — December 28, 2009 @ 3:51 am
Nice movie great thoughts on RVR’s
Comment by pheq — December 28, 2009 @ 4:06 am
@uschearak: Were you ever on Stormreaver Realm?
Comment by Feight — December 28, 2009 @ 9:24 am
Its great and helps mi alot. Maybe you can make more guids with tips how to duell with other classes?
cheers from Poland!
Comment by Pindols — December 28, 2009 @ 11:11 am
@feight, ya bro still here twiddling my thumbs. impossible to find good people here to arena with.
@noxan, omw buddy
Comment by Uschearak — December 28, 2009 @ 11:59 am
Not going to lie, Music normally isnt a problem for me but i love trance its awesome, Metillica was Ok, but this brings me back to the good old days
lol love this genra keep it comming bro.
Comment by Kubane — December 28, 2009 @ 8:09 pm
Mostly common known things in here, if you got any sense of how other people think while dueling them you should be able to figure all this out on your own easily, it was extremely detailed though, so thumbs up on that.
Comment by Sinne — December 29, 2009 @ 5:20 am
YOU HAVE TO HELP ME Like omg how am i supposed to “vanish the cheap shot, or the blind” wtf thats pro right there i cant do that..
Comment by Jimmy — December 29, 2009 @ 9:22 am
I had a question about rogue vs rogue.
1. Lets say you cheap shot him, then kidney, then he trinkets. Thats ok, you vanish and he vanishes but your spamming sap after your vanish. Why doesent it work?
Or lets say this..
2. Lets say you know where he is stealth, so you run up, FoK, Vanish, and then try to sap but it doesent work cause he’s in combat?
Comment by Himn — December 29, 2009 @ 5:04 pm
Good job!& Happy newyear!
Comment by moonone — December 30, 2009 @ 8:08 am
Sorry for offtop>Akrios, there is one ud mage in your old wotlk movies, his name is Tipss. What happend to him? Did he go in RL?
Comment by Happy newyear! :D — December 30, 2009 @ 10:59 am
Hey Akrios you should do a guide like this but rogue vs mage. I fukin hate mages lately. a good mage with full cd’s seems next to impossible to take down, so many defensive cd’s i just hate dealing with em, A good rogue vs mage guid would be sweet dude.
Comment by creed — December 30, 2009 @ 5:55 pm
When i am envenom rogue, the blind is quite useless.. So that’s a minus about Envenom.
Comment by Krengle — January 2, 2010 @ 12:48 am
sup <3
No mention of gouge countering blind when you have trinket CPs and KS to go? ^^
Comment by raddy — January 2, 2010 @ 3:07 pm
its a good guide thanks:)
Comment by andreas — January 3, 2010 @ 1:44 pm
Hello, Akrios, each of you to new, today again see your recent video. Enough is powerful, every detail evil each key moments are wonderful. Admire you, support you forever, AK.
Comment by venenos — January 3, 2010 @ 9:17 pm
I’m actually curious, why does there seem to be a lack of dismantles?
Comment by Shiryu — January 4, 2010 @ 2:35 am
Akrios, I’m wondering what u use when doing vanish sap, cuz when i saw ur bar, ur vanish button become sap during stealth. I know u r using bartender, and is that possible to use a macro like
/cast vanish
/cast sap
to intead of that?
and by the way im using a vanish CS macro like
/cast vanish
/cast Cheap Shot
it works good, i just wanna share it to you, and i like to see if u can make these two together like sap when target is not in combat, and CS when target is in combat.
Waiting for u~~~
Comment by Jazone — January 4, 2010 @ 1:16 pm
this was a massive help and have started practicing it.. ty
Comment by innersinner — January 5, 2010 @ 7:17 am
Thank you for the guide. It really helped a lot. I’d like to ask you to make more of those against different classes if you have some free time)
Comment by Liar — January 5, 2010 @ 1:21 pm
Awesome vid like always. Any chance you could get some RvR clips with envenom spec? Awesome song btw.
Comment by Oorachi — January 10, 2010 @ 7:53 am
I have one question. How do you reliably sap so quickly after vanish? I find that when I vanish to sap someone when they vanish, I end up hitting the button too quickly and end up using (feint or kick, 2 or f, my sap buttons in stealth), instead of sap. Is there an addon that reduces bar swap lag, or am I just forced to wait a little longer to try and sap, possibly missing the opportunity? I know it’s not a computer or latency issue, I run with 20-30 ms and have >100 FPS with near top of the line specs on my computer.
Comment by Issues — January 16, 2010 @ 6:50 pm
Akrios
I’m from Brazil, I’m a server called xlanhouse
See if my strategy against rogue is good
Sap, Premeditation, Cheap Shot, Shadow Dance, Garrote, Vanish, Cheap Shot, 1xBackstab, Kidney Shot, 2x Backstab, Rupture, Preparation, and start all over again but until I complete this sequence my opponent is already dead
If you look at my talents the link is here -> # http://thottbot.com/rogue/t kDj1 / tNRI6niBS
Comment by Celso — January 17, 2010 @ 6:20 pm
god you’re fuckin stupid lol , gtfo off this website..using garrote and backstab in a ShD..rofl..there arent any words to describe how retarded you are lmao
Comment by Grotesque — January 19, 2010 @ 1:02 pm
Recently I moved away from home, I have a life, a girlfriend, I’m applying for a job at a bar, I go to college… AND I CANT STOP READING YOUR WEBSITE EVERY SINGLE DAY!!
I miss WoW, sometimes I wanna quit everything and go back home. I was so stupid before, you make so much sense.. And the GCD strategies?! Wow.. Never would have even thought about getting THAT complex with this… You’re an inspiration to me, your Guides video is incredible. I’m guessing it’s about reaction and prediction (as an earlier post of yours explains!
) but jeez.. Wish I could try all this.
Obviously I’ll carry on with what I’ve got going for me in life, but I will try these out soon, very very helpful guide. Useful and informative, thanks a lot for creating this site.
Comment by Kratore — January 20, 2010 @ 4:26 pm
Hai Alkrios, big fan. anyhow , when
in that first duel when you both vanished, why don’t you have a second vanish macro.
#showtooltip vanish
/cast fan of knives
/cast vanish
it destealths them and you get your vanish off.
Comment by Alucian — January 20, 2010 @ 5:06 pm
Isn’t deadly poison/envenom pretty standard for rogue arena style? or do you play/spec differently for duels?
Some really interesting stuff here but I would like to know how it works for you with both rogues using DP.
Comment by lafa — January 24, 2010 @ 2:27 pm
Ak hello, I want to ask you to a you are using plugins, but I don’t know what is the plugin, see you many video, almost all the plugin is useful, blind, SAP, display, attack by gouge, after controlling the plugin, I am very fond of the plugin. If you see this message, I can tell me the name of the plugin. My Email address 83950855@qq.com Grateful!
Comment by venenos — February 1, 2010 @ 4:24 pm
Impressive =) Think you got a new fan =P
Kwazin
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Undead Rogue
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我是中国玩家，虽然不算厉害
跟你还是有很多的差距的
很喜欢你的手法、反应能力
Comment by Vmpirez — March 16, 2010 @ 3:05 am
Hey akrios good job with the duel ^_^ btw does anyone have any idea on what is the debuff which makes him look like havin a permanent CoS in the scenes from blades edge arena??? That one which makes him shadowy
Comment by Ady — May 23, 2010 @ 5:33 pm
Hey! Amazing vid and guide, thanks! A question: when u blind/vanish after enemy uses trinket do you watch the CS/KS debuff on the target or the character itself for the trinket animation? I usually watch the debuff but that gets my eyes off the fight itself:C Thanks, loveja!:D
Comment by Mynameis — June 2, 2010 @ 5:27 pm