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	<title>Comments on: RMP vs the Cleave</title>
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		<title>By: irpete</title>
		<link>http://roguerogue.com/2009/07/25/rmp-vs-the-cleave/comment-page-1/#comment-12028</link>
		<dc:creator>irpete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>even if you do &#039;know what to do against rmps&#039; (iam guessing you&#039;re some cleave faceroll setup) what will you actually change? i&#039;ve played a cleave setup on torny realm and got 2k as an utterly clueless dk pressing random buttons that i knew did damage, only thing i seemed to need to &#039;co-ordinate&#039; was strangulate when my target was 60%ish hp. rmp takes one hell of alot more team work to be successful. i mean this is what we said when the gates rose or platform rised at the begining of a match as a cleave 
&#039;right we&#039;re killing this guy yea?&#039; 
&#039;ok.&#039; that was literally it, pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even if you do &#8216;know what to do against rmps&#8217; (iam guessing you&#8217;re some cleave faceroll setup) what will you actually change? i&#8217;ve played a cleave setup on torny realm and got 2k as an utterly clueless dk pressing random buttons that i knew did damage, only thing i seemed to need to &#8216;co-ordinate&#8217; was strangulate when my target was 60%ish hp. rmp takes one hell of alot more team work to be successful. i mean this is what we said when the gates rose or platform rised at the begining of a match as a cleave<br />
&#8216;right we&#8217;re killing this guy yea?&#8217;<br />
&#8216;ok.&#8217; that was literally it, pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Babyfartzmageezacs</title>
		<link>http://roguerogue.com/2009/07/25/rmp-vs-the-cleave/comment-page-1/#comment-12025</link>
		<dc:creator>Babyfartzmageezacs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure yah do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure yah do.</p>
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		<title>By: Animal</title>
		<link>http://roguerogue.com/2009/07/25/rmp-vs-the-cleave/comment-page-1/#comment-11958</link>
		<dc:creator>Animal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, now I know what to do against RMP&#039;s:P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, now I know what to do against RMP&#8217;s:P</p>
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		<title>By: Aeth</title>
		<link>http://roguerogue.com/2009/07/25/rmp-vs-the-cleave/comment-page-1/#comment-11918</link>
		<dc:creator>Aeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you plan on playing as heavily as you have in the past once summer&#039;s over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you plan on playing as heavily as you have in the past once summer&#8217;s over?</p>
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		<title>By: Deadlycuts</title>
		<link>http://roguerogue.com/2009/07/25/rmp-vs-the-cleave/comment-page-1/#comment-11856</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadlycuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the paladin is look like a blender</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the paladin is look like a blender</p>
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		<title>By: kalex</title>
		<link>http://roguerogue.com/2009/07/25/rmp-vs-the-cleave/comment-page-1/#comment-11853</link>
		<dc:creator>kalex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9/10  great post really insightful 
keep making videos bro  
you are the reason I got 2173 as my highest in 2s and 2121 as my highest in 3s 
thanks 
-Kalex of Dunemaul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9/10  great post really insightful<br />
keep making videos bro<br />
you are the reason I got 2173 as my highest in 2s and 2121 as my highest in 3s<br />
thanks<br />
-Kalex of Dunemaul</p>
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		<title>By: Bloedhoertje</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloedhoertje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha! The blender picture from Blentec!
A mage-rogue-priest team, will it blend? That is the question.
Ta ta ta ta ta, lala lalala...
http://www.willitblend.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha! The blender picture from Blentec!<br />
A mage-rogue-priest team, will it blend? That is the question.<br />
Ta ta ta ta ta, lala lalala&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.willitblend.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.willitblend.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Verkku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verkku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been playing RMP around 2600 for quite a while, obviously meeting plenty of cleave teams. However, as opposed to what you&#039;ve written, versus warrior cleaves (Suchs as Ret / War / Druid) we&#039;ve found out that the best way to beat this is to pull a sap off on the ret, if that should fail sheep him, while rogue just locks down the warrior, all 3 members of the RMP burst him.

This will effectively get him down to ~20%, forcing a shield wall.
Often after this point the warrior will be intervening, fully hotted.. This is when we go for a switch on the paladin who is fully dispelled by our priest. Sometimes a paladin uses Divine Sacrifice during the nuke on the warrior, making the switching even easier.

Reasoning behind this is that our priest can survive a Ret Pala or a DK on his own for quite a while, but a warrior constanly applying MS on him with the other &quot;Cleaver&quot; just assisting slightly is just too much for a priest to handle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been playing RMP around 2600 for quite a while, obviously meeting plenty of cleave teams. However, as opposed to what you&#8217;ve written, versus warrior cleaves (Suchs as Ret / War / Druid) we&#8217;ve found out that the best way to beat this is to pull a sap off on the ret, if that should fail sheep him, while rogue just locks down the warrior, all 3 members of the RMP burst him.</p>
<p>This will effectively get him down to ~20%, forcing a shield wall.<br />
Often after this point the warrior will be intervening, fully hotted.. This is when we go for a switch on the paladin who is fully dispelled by our priest. Sometimes a paladin uses Divine Sacrifice during the nuke on the warrior, making the switching even easier.</p>
<p>Reasoning behind this is that our priest can survive a Ret Pala or a DK on his own for quite a while, but a warrior constanly applying MS on him with the other &#8220;Cleaver&#8221; just assisting slightly is just too much for a priest to handle.</p>
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		<title>By: Suishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good post, just started running Sham, Mage, and Rogue, we&#039;ve doing switches pretty hard to some classes and sticking on other teams... PMR is still tough for us. yea i use to run Ret Disc Rogue... it was joke how fast things would die... and when they didn&#039;t die it was my fault :&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good post, just started running Sham, Mage, and Rogue, we&#8217;ve doing switches pretty hard to some classes and sticking on other teams&#8230; PMR is still tough for us. yea i use to run Ret Disc Rogue&#8230; it was joke how fast things would die&#8230; and when they didn&#8217;t die it was my fault <img src='http://roguerogue.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bendickson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bendickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude, i totally agree, i usually run lock rogue in 2s, but decided to try a ret, and weve been kicking ass, sooo much easier to reset, with the bop and heals, its great</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, i totally agree, i usually run lock rogue in 2s, but decided to try a ret, and weve been kicking ass, sooo much easier to reset, with the bop and heals, its great</p>
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